6th Generation Swede: The Saab Gripen E
Is the Gripen E too good to be true? Hushkit met Richard Smith the Head of Marketing & Sales for the Saab Gripen to find out more. When I interviewed the widely respected aviation journalist Bill Sweetman in 2013, I pointed out the Typhoon, F-22 and F-35 programmes have all received a great deal of criticism, but could he give an example of a well-run military aircraft project? He replied: “Almost anything from the land of blondes, aquavit and IKEA.” In an article Sweetman wrote for Aviation Week he argued that there was a case for describing the forthcoming Gripen E/F as the first sixth generation fighter. Whereas fifth generation was an old (1980s) concept based on the use of stealth and superior situational awareness to defeat a well-equipped (but easy to find and identify) enemy, Saab’s vision of 6th Gen Gripen E is a new kind of machine that puts kinematics second, and software and ISR capabilities first. What ‘software first’ means is that all the important software in Gripen E should be far easier to upgrade than in rival platforms. This is a big deal, as military aircraft technology currently moves at a glacial pace compared to that of the commercial world, such as the rapid developments in smart phones. The conventional approach would have been to produce a higher performance lower-observable fighter, a programme which would have proved too expensive for Sweden. As Sweetman put it in the Aviation Week article, “The requirements were deliberately constrained because the JAS 39E is intended to cost less to develop, build and operate than the JAS 39C, despite doing almost everything better.” While the aircraft will not have the stealth and super-cruising abilities of the F-22, the super-manoeuvrability of the Su-35 or impressive weapons-carrying performance of the Rafale, the Gripen E will be an extremely potent aircraft punching well above its weight. Weight and cost often correlate for military aircraft and it is interesting to note that the F-35, intended as the ‘low’ (weight/capability) to the F-22’s ‘high’, has an empty weight of 13154 kg, compared to the Gripen E’s svelte 8000 kg (the respective maximum take-off weights are 27000 kg and 16500 kg). Though the F-35 may, by a combination of manipulation and mass production, eventually have a competitive quoted price tag, the Gripen E will be far cheaper to operate and maintain. The Gripen has a history of punching above its weight class, with the C/D frequently entered in procurement competitions against the middle-weight Typhoon, Gripen and late-life F-16. Indeed when Hush-Kit asked Jim Smith , who had significant technical roles in the development of the the JSF and Eurofighter Typhoon, to rank modern modern fighter aircraft he put the Meteor-armed Gripen in joint 2nd place (just behind the F-22) as a homeland air defence fighter (ranking it higher than the current Typhoon, Rafale, Su-30/ F-18E/F, F-15, Su-35, J-11, F-35 and the J-20). He noted, “Starting with Air Defence, let’s suppose you have a small-ish nation, where the Government does not have global dominance in its agenda. For such a nation, the key aim is deterrence, ensuring that any country wishing to invade or dominate you cannot easily do so. For such a nation, Gripen/Meteor might be the ultimate air defender, especially if you have a well-integrated air defence system and dispersed bases. Never being far from the border or a base, fuel volume and even weapons load don’t matter so much, because you’ll scoot back to your cave and re-arm/refuel. Having a big stick, however, is great, because you can defeat threats while keeping out of their missile range.” While some of the ‘Christmas tree ‘ loadouts (seven Meteors!) displayed by Saab seem unlikely to be carried operationally, the Gripen will be able to carry significantly more fuel and ordnance than its predecessor. Intrigued by the Gripen E, I caught up with the Gripen’s Head of Marketing & Sales Richard Smith to find out more.
The Gripen E/F are now in development, what’s new about them? I could write rather a lot on this question alone. Hopefully we will cover a lot in the coming questions. I would like to start by saying why a Brit ended up working at Saab. I came here as part of the original Gripen joint venture between Saab and BAE SYSTEMS, after working for several years on the Hawk programme. But after 6 years, I stayed in Sweden, and joined Saab. Why? Many reasons, but one is that this company is outstanding. It empowers everybody, encourages out of the box thinking, and drives innovative thinking in every area. That way of thinking, that way of working is what makes Gripen such a good product, and many underestimate just how operationally outstanding this fighter system is. Our way of doing things is doing them better and smarter than others. So what have we done that is better and smarter with Gripen E? We have understood that the future of air combat is going to be defined by technology – and we have built a system that truly adapts and embraces new technologies in a way that will keep us ahead of 21st century threats – fast. This is achieved through our deep and long experiences in sensor fusion and a revolutionary avionics system. For me, it means that the talk of generations, I hear so much of from within the industry just no longer means anything at all. The technology we have now, the ideas Saab engineers are working on, ensure that Gripen quite literally transcends all generations.
When it be ready to enter frontline service? Deliveries are scheduled from 2019 to Sweden and Brazil.
Who has ordered Gripen E/F it and in what numbers? Sweden 60, Brazil 36
Its thrust-to-weight ratio seems the lowest of fighters in production, is this true and if not, what is lower? In this context I can say the thrust-to-weight is certainly enough. The design of the aircraft makes it very slick, compare it to a hot knife cutting through butter. This is quite an “old school” question, as the modern warfare is not as dependent on turn and burn fights any longer.
How does it compare in terms of Agility/manoeuvrability with the following platforms: 1.Rafale 2. Typhoon 3. F-35 4. Su-35? Well I can’t or rather we don’t comment on the competition, other than saying these aircraft are all good. But with Gripen E operational capabilities and technological advances – in a “knife-fight” we bring the “gun”.
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Some companies avoid publicly stating the cost of their aircraft, but Saab seems more transparent. The Gripen is touted as a lower cost option, roughly what would a nation buying 24 Gripen E/Fs pay per unit? Well we are very transparent, but won’t give out flyaway prices. I can say that in Brazil the public figures for the total aircraft, support and Industrial package are quite public, and when compared to other public figures, well we deliver value for money.
Approximate cost per flight hour of the E/F? I can say that the cost per flight hours is very good, but the issue to give a figure is that apples are never compared directly with apples, when it comes to this question.Radar? This (see below) is the current radar performance on the Gripen C with the PS-05 Mk 4 . It has been improved radically to cope with the change of threats and the integration of METEOR. The AESA on the Gripen E will continue the technology improvement path building on an already capable system – check out this link for the Gripen E raven radar.http://www.leonardocompany.com/en/-/raven-1
Manhours per flight hours of E/F? The Gripen E/F has the same stringent standards set on the expected performance as the Gripen C/D.
General cost of replacement parts compared to mass produced F-16? Impossible to answer, but this is incorporated into the Flight Hour cost and I am totally confident that Gripen is significantly less than any competitor. One further thing to note – we develop fighters that use the best equipment available – tapping into economies of scale – a notable example is that we directly connected to the GE F414 engine.
In the leaked Swiss fighter evaluation (see below) Gripen did very poorly, having an far lower overall score than the F/A-18s it was pitching to replace. It did particularly badly in the categories of detection, combat radius and survivability. Has this been rectified in the new Gripens? How would you respond to the each area of weakness reported? I was the Campaign Director for Switzerland and I won’t comment on the report directly but will say the “leaked” documents covered just a small part of much more thorough evaluation – that by the way Gripen clearly won.
According to Lockheed Martin, the F-35 is the only system that could reliably penetrate a modern air defence system on Day 1 of a war – do you agree with this? Not going to comment on their statements.
Gripen was is first fighter to carry Meteor operationally, how capable are Meteor-armed Gripens compared to AMRAAM/R-77 carriers? AMRAAM C7 is a very capable weapon and we work very closely with Raytheon on the global market. METEOR does have a “significant range”, and very high “no escape” zone. It has range, ram-jet propulsion, data-link communication. Gripen E is designed to be able to carry 7 Meteors.
Gripen was the first aircraft in the world to become fully operational with the METEOR. The current Swedish Air Force Chief has described the weapon and new radar performance of the Gripen C as “game-changing”. Gripen C, which is operational in Sweden now, is flying operations with Meteor, and can carry 4 Missiles. The Gripen E can be equipped with 7 Meteors, 4 on the wings and 3 under the centre fuselage.The Hush-Kit Book of Warplanes will feature the finest cuts from Hush-Kit along with exclusive new articles, explosive photography and gorgeous bespoke illustrations. Order The Hush-Kit Book of Warplanes here I think many like to boast, but we prefer not to, perhaps that is Swedish Culture. That said, I attach a pdf of some comments made on our capability by others. (Editor notes: Red Flag quote is from a USAF service person)
How does Gripen compare in terms of reliability to the F-16 and Typhoon? Gripen was designed from the very outset, day 1 of its design, to be easy to maintain and easy to repair. Context here – full air to air re-arm and re-fuel on a FOB in 10 minutes. Can be maintained by 1 fully qualified maintainer and only 5 conscripts. And a full engine change can be made in one hour.
Few land-based fighters have been successfully converted into carrier aircraft, is a Gripen Maritime plausible? Very much so. Gripen is designed for extremely short take-off and landing already.Tell me something I don’t know about the Gripen I can see that many of your questions focus on ‘turn and burn‘- and sometimes I see discussions on ‘generations’. The modern warfare jet, like Gripen E is designed to be SMARTER than the threat. Technology moves at such high pace, our philosophy to ensure the platform is equipped with new software/hardware, in line with the high speed of technology enhancements. Technology will win the future fight. Gripen is equipped with many modern sensor systems, but why is it so good? Because, Saab excels at sensor fusion, and information interpretation, ensuring the aircraft, sensors and the pilot work as one, no longer just together. To meet this capability Saab has designed an entirely new, some say revolutionary Avionics architecture.
What is the biggest myth about the aircraft? Its name means half Lion, half Eagle!
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When we interviewed RUSI analyst Justin Bronk he noted: “Gripen is a bit of an unknown quantity against modern air superiority machines because it takes a fundamentally different approach to survivability.” What do you think he means by that?
In terms of the comment by the RUSI analyst – offence is one aspect of warfare, but defence and survivability are equally important as they are the building blocks that ensure the mission is successful. Gripen has a low RCS, a highly advanced AESA<Editor notes: Richard’s answer in this question relate to Gripen E/F which are not yet operational> , a passive Infra-Red Search and Track (IRST) sensor system<again this is for future Gripen only) making it difficult to detect, and an improved Electronic Warfare (EW) system for the disruption and detection of threats. All the systems are governed by a new avionics system, where functions that are flight-safety critical are separate from tactical ones.
The improved EW system in Gripen E, MFS-EW (Multi Functional System), is based on the EW product family called Arexis. Arexis is based on wideband digital technology specifically developed for robustness in the very complex signal environment of today. The core technologies in Arexis are ultra-wideband digital receivers and digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) devices, gallium nitride (GaN) solid state active electronically scanned array (AESA) jammer transmitters and interferometric direction finding systems.
The Operational Signal environment for EW systems is becoming more and more complex. Systems developed 20 years ago are not able to handle all these signals, making it difficult to differentiate the threats signals from other signals. MFS-EW is made to handle the signal environment of today and in the future by using ultra wide band digital receivers, advanced signal processing and extensive processing capacity that can distinguish the real threat signals from others. The MFS EW is fully integrated with other tactical mission systems on board the aircraft, and there are also sensor fusion on several layers in the aircraft, combining all tactical sensors in Gripen E such as the AESA Radar, Electro optical sensors, IRST and also the datalink. These sources and sensors are integrated into one high level sensor fusion and situational awareness system for the pilot to enhance the effectiveness of the mission.Gripen is popularly thought to be the fighter with the greatest ‘connectivity’ – why, and what does that mean exactly? And finally, with years of data-link experiences, that goes as far back as the Draken fighters, Gripen does not just embrace data-links, and connectivity, it has become a world-leader in maximising the benefits of them, and using data links, and connectivity operationally in “wolf pack” tactics.
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This is EXACTLY what Canada needs.
Yes, but The US will never allow Canada to buy Gripen.
And just how does the USA intend to stop us? It’s not like they’re going to invade us for not buying American weapons. The Americans didn’t throw a tantrum when we chose the Leopard tank over the Abrams. Not only that, Canada has twice developed the most advanced aircraft in its class, first the Arrow, then the CSeries. We lost BOTH because of the Americans. As far as I’m concerned, the US government can kiss my Canadian posterior. The USA has shown that it is not the friend to Canada that so many Canadians have been duped into believing. The Americans don’t have any planes that are worth buying and the Gripen, besides being FAR less expensive to operate, will give Canada full tech transfer and at least 100% industrial offset including the planes being made in Canada. The tech transfer will allow us to make our own fighters once again.
The US wont dare to block it They already have egg on their face with Boeing trying to screw over bombardier which was saved in that instance by airbus whom is big enough Boeing couldn’t bully them. The engine chosen for the Gripen is good and partially built in Canada already and even if they tried killing it on the engine alone there are easily obtainable alternate engines that will fit nicely The F35 turd we are already a signatory partner for supply chain but that does not only not just mean we can build parts but we are not obligated to buy the pos either.. and the way the competition if written the 35 is effectively eliminated already by contract conflict and the partner agreement takes precedence over any purchase and since they conflict.. well that is a bonus for Canada (and the only good thing justin has done irony is he did it by accident).
That leaves 2.. we wont touch the SH since it not only fails miserably to do what we need.. (its actually worse for canuckistans needs than the legacy 18 is and that purchase was a massive mistake – long story if you dont know google F-18L for starters)..and again given Boeing having burned their bridges with Canada the odds of us picking the bloated SH are effectively NIL Now we have one viable competitor left and it is a big benefit for Canada, still buys some parts from the US despite the fact we will build it here (same as we did the F5) and as an EQUAL partner in both the 2 eyes and 5 eyes the US dare not try to stomp on another’s choice of fighter. Never mind NATO aspects etc and other political fallout and potential blowback from any such bully move
No the US cannot stop it short of invading canuckistan and they wont do that for many many reasons.
That said.. IMO by far the Gripen is the smartest available fighter for our actual needs and I can only curse the fact that it didn’t exist way back in my time with the USAF/RCAF Id love a chance to even get a fam flight in it esp since it is the closest thing to a modern equiv of my fan to strap into the old but astoundingly good F5! 🙂
Oh and for those that dont understand just how big a turd the 35 is.. read this for starters:
To be fair, the Avro Arrow was canceled because of Soviet infiltration of the program, not (just) because of US politics. The Russians used the data they acquired from the Avro Arrow to build their own mach 3ish interceptor, the MiG-25.
Gripen E can supercruise…
Canada has also been reluctant to embrace single engine fighters (F-104 notwithstanding).
You’re right, we have been but that mentality is completely based on a fallacy. The F-104 had a horrendous accident and fatality rate in the hands of both the RCAF and the Luftwaffe. The reason for this was that in both countries, the air forces were run by abject morons. They took a plane that was CLEARLY designed to be a high-speed, high-altitude air-to-air interceptor and thought that it would be a good idea to use it as a “low and slow” tactical strike aircraft! At the high angles of attack and the low speeds required for this role, the razor-thin and stubby wings of the F-104 had a tendency to stall and the plane would fall out of the sky. Since the F-104 was designed for high-altitudes, the ejection seat ejected DOWN instead of up. At the low altitudes that the RCAF and Luftwaffe were misusing these planes, when a plane stalled, ejecting was just as lethal as crashing.
Since the commanders of the CFAC were a bunch of honourless cowards, instead of taking responsibility for the deaths of Canadian pilots, they blamed the single-engine design of the Starfighter as the reason they died. Remember that this was back before the information age was even thought of so nobody could fact-check their claims. Their lies eventually worked their way into our national consciousness and was only strengthened by our use of the F/A-18A Hornet. As usual, the general populace are a bunch of apathetic sheep and I still hear this BS to this day, invalid though it may be.
The JAS-39 has been in service for nearly 23 years with 5 air forces in all climates from the cold arctic tundra of Sweden to the relatively temperate central European nations of Hungary and the Czech Republic to the hot steamy jungles of Thailand and South Africa. In nearly 23 years, NO Gripen has EVER suffered an engine failure. There has been only ONE fatality which occurred at the Children’s Air Show in Thailand in January of 2017. An investigation by the Thai government revealed that the Gripen itself was not the cause of the crash. I’ve seen the footage myself and it showed the Gripen lazily flying fully upright over the horizon in a straight line. A few seconds after it went below the horizon, a large fireball was seen. The pilot had around 20 seconds to safely eject but he didn’t. The plane was not flying at very high speed and it was perfectly upright. My guess is that the pilot, although a young man, had something go wrong with him like a heart attack or stroke that either killed him immediately or completely incapacitated him.
I’ve run the numbers and I’ve done the math. I took the number of Gripens built and used worldwide and I took the number of CF-18 Hornets that the CFAC/RCAF operated (nearly twice as many Gripens have flown compared to the CF-18). Since the Gripen entered service in 1996, I only counted the RCAF fatalities that occurred in or after 1996 (there were already several BTW). This actually gave an unfair advantage to the CF-18 because they had been flying for over a decade at that point, making them a mature platform while the Gripen was brand-new and possibly prone to teething problems. Using ONLY fatalities and ignoring the number of CF-18 engine failures, the Gripen, over its lifetime up to today, has been TWENTY TIMES SAFER than the CF-18. Now I don’t know about you, but if I’m a pilot and was allowed to make the choice, I would choose to fly the plane that had a 2000% better chance of keeping me alive, number of engines be damned. Gripens fly long-range over the arctic on a regular basis. In fact, Czech Gripens patrol Icelandic airspace under contract because Iceland has no military whatsoever. That’s a long flight over the North Atlantic, an area that is just as dangerous for an ejected pilot as the Canadian arctic without incident. The pilots don’t even think about it because Gripens don’t get engine failures.
Believe it or not, the Gripen has always used the same engine type as the Hornet series. The GE F04 found in the CF-18 is the SAME ENGINE found in the A, B, C and D variants of the JAS-39. The difference is that Volvo Aero built the engine for the JAS-39 under licence from General Electric and added significant durability upgrades of their own design. This engine was called the Volvo Aero RM12 and it could (and on several occasions did) ingest a bird the size of a Canada Goose without missing a beat. These upgrades were incorporated into the engine’s successor, the GE F414 that once again will be used in both the JAS-39E “Super Gripen” and is already in service with the F/A-18E “Super Hornet”. As expected, the engine is absolutely bulletproof.
If a jet engine has proven itself to be literally incapable of failure, you will only ever need one.
Nicely said and nice to see a rare educated post for a change vs all the armchair types or those that play with sims and think that such makes them know more than I do despite my exp flying the real thing. Or the idiot f35 fanbois that fail miserably to actually do the research beyond the massive propaganda arm that LHM is using tp smoke screen the massive unmitigated failure the f35 is.
The report fron Switzerland must be about Gipen C NOT Gripen E…
Indeed and also note that the leaked parts were taken out of context as well for political gain.
If you want a more accurate picture of the Gripen c/d look at RF06 where it was only outscored in points by the f22 and that was by 1 point.. meanwhile the gripens were Red team for that as well the 22s were blue.
You can buy it in IKEA.
Canadian Air Force – Sensible SAAB Solution-Canadian Made
Grippen acquisition costs substantially less than “Canadianized” F35
The Grippen can and should be “Canadian Made”
Canadianized F-35 includes costly modification for a Drag Chute, the F-35 Has no Tail Hook for Arrestor Equipped Runways
At the present time Canada does not have Air to Air refueling capability for the F-35; expensive modifications to the F-35 will be required for present Probe-and-Drouge method used by the Canadian Armed Forces.
Operating cost of the Grippen is substantially less (estimated 75% Lower) this equates to more flying hours, more flying hours means happier pilots; happier pilots stay in the service longer, Canada will continue to have unsurpassed professional pilots.
Grippen allows for more aircraft, higher sortie rates and greater availability rates. The Grippen can be refueled and re-armed in 10 minutes.
The F 35 relinquishes it “Stealth” characteristics in the ground attack role of when carrying external weapons and fuel tanks. Technology will defeat the F 35 “clean” configuration in the next decade before the F 35 is fully operation in Canada.
Grippen is not dependent on U.S. regulations or restrictions it is time to end the reliance on American systems, doctrine and economic strangle hold as the demonstrated with Bombardier C Series Aircraft
The Grippen can operate from all Canadian Forces bases; the F 35 will require expensive infrastructure modifications and maintenance facilities.
The Grippen is certified for Meteor BVRM far superior than the AIM-120 presently used on CF-18
Grippen allows Canada open access to software architecture & development upgrades can be Canadian developed and designed as required.
The Grippen is already serving in NATO Air Forces
Fielding a fighter made on Canadian soil, by Canadians would be a great source of national pride
Canada is a Tier 3 Partner in the F-35 program and will be able to compete for contracts regardless if they purchase the F-35, under the present agreement there are NO guarantees of work for Canadians
Well said as well.. and when I was USAF/RCAF a big part of that was in part because we didn’t have the equipment needed for the flight hours and thanks to the poor choice of the FA18 costs were far higher than they should have been if we had picked smarter… If we had more resources avail rather than the pathetic min flight hrs avail even now then more of the good pilots would have stayed.
As for Gripen for Canada.. see my above comments
Canadian Air Force – Sensible SAAB Solution-Canadian Made
Snowbird Replacement / Grippen Demonstration Team
De-contented, Demilitarized no offensive or defensive systems, radar and communication systems replace with commercial off the shelf systems The cannon area converts to luggage area, re-engine with less expensive GE 404 surplus CF 18 engines. This lowers costs as were essentially buying basic airframes.
Military wiring harnesses to be retained for quick conversion if required (First aircraft off the production line)
10 E Models (Snowbirds)
4 F Models (2 Snowbirds, 2 Grippen Demonstration Team)
Alternative would be to lease 14 de contended Grippen C/D from Sweden
Regular Air Force
72 Grippen E
24 Grippen F Optimized for Fast Forward Air Control, Electronic Warfare, and Conversion Training
6 Regular Forces Squadrons 12 E & 4 F models (each Squadron)
With Grippen’s affordability Canada could equip an additional Reserve Squadron
CP-140 Replacement- Sooner rather than Later with cost savings realized with the acquisition of the Grippen
10 Bombardier 6500 / Saab Swordfish MPA manufactured By Bombardier in Canada
4 Bombardier 6500 / Saab GlobalEye AEW&C (withdraw from NATO AWAC Program) manufactured By Bombardier in Canada, Battle Field Management Platform, Air Space Command and Control, Artic Surveillance