Flying & Fighting in the JF-17 Thunder: Interview with Pakistan Air Force fighter pilot
JF-17 pic credits: author/PAF
The JF-17 Thunder is one of the rarest and least known fighter aircraft in the world. Operated solely by the Pakistan Air Force*, it is a capable fighter in the same class as the F-16. On conditions of anonymity, we spoke to one JF-17 pilot to learn more.
The views expressed are not the official positions of the PAF.
“Best thing: Continuous upgrades of indigenous and Chinese weapons/electronic counter-measures suites, standoff capabilities of exceptional range i.e REK/IREK,CM-400,C-802AK etc. Worst : limited BVR load-out.”
What advice would you give to new pilots on the type? “Know your books and more importantly know the adversaries books. The modern jets are complex fighting machines so you must be at ease with all the systems in order to employ your jet with confidence.
What has been your most memorable mission & why was that?
“One mission took place in the days following the Indian Air Force’s attempted strikes in Pakistan border region- at five in the night I took off in rain and low cloud with TS in the vicinity. Clouds were from 4,000 till 33,000 feet. Got out of clouds and controller reported two Su-30s ‘across the fence’. I targeted them at ranges beyond 50-60 NM but didn’t get authorisation to engage from controller, continued to grind above 32,000 flowing hot and cold 20-30NM from fence targeting the Su-30s. The IAF scrambled a total of six more Su-30s and finally I had eight Su-30s in front. Would turn hot and target each one in sequence from north to south (just spike them seeing whether they get lured in or not). After hitting texaco (air refuelling) returned to based amid rain and wet runway.. the first thing ground crew did was count the missiles.. gave a disappointed look once all were intact. the same profile continued for a couple of month but that first mission was an unbelievable experience.”
The IAF’s Su-30 are the most formidable threat aircraft to the PAF.
How would you rate the JF-17s sensors & weapons? “KLJ-7 radar plus Indra radar warning receiver plus Self-Protection Jamming, ASEL targeting Pod equals a very potent system. We have air-ground/sea stand-off weapons with ranges of over 50NM, well out of SAM ranges”
Which aircraft have you flown DACT against- which was the most challenging and why?
“DACT : F-16 Block-52+ , Mirage, F:7P.
Turkish F-16s. Definitely F-16+AMRAAM combo was the most challenging.”
What is the best and worst thing about the cockpit?
What do the ground crew think of the aircraft?
Is it easy to land?
“The easiest aircraft to land amongst what I’ve flown till date. Much more easy than even basic trainers.”
Interview with Mirage 2000 pilot here
Mirage 2000 with MICA- a threat to be respected.
“Underrated, Reliable, Effective.”
“F-16 .. for the initial 180deg turn, then Thunder all the way. JF-17 with PL-10 mod (currently in pipeline) will trump F-16 with AIM-9M any day of the week, but currently on brute performance F-16 has the edge.”
How good is the engine?
“With the current config engine produces sufficient power – but who doesn’t like a bit of extra thrust?
Which weapons are currently in frontline service on JF-17?
“Currently we have PL-5(IR missile) SD-10(BVR). C-802 anti ship standoff , REK/IREK air-surface standoff with multiple warhead/seekers/roles and then all the GP Bombs, CM-400 and host of other A/G weapons for precision strikes. All that with the integrated ASEL Pod for targeting.”
Interview with IAF MiG-25 pilot hereHow would you rate the Thunder’s sensors?
“They are mission/role compatible with continuous upgrades being done on a regular basis. We’ve tested them in a high intensity stand off and everything worked liked a charm which goes to show the resilience of avionics in an intense environment.”
“This is just a fun photo, done with a Thunder-shaped keychain while holding in the pattern”
“It is one of the most digitised cockpit I’ve flown till date. Even the F-16’s cockpit fades in comparison to the Thunder’s cockpit layout.”
Interview with MiG-27 pilot here
“We shot a MiG-21 on our side and a Su-30 on their side (which we didn’t claim initially because we already had the MiG-21 pilot in custody and that was enough of a message that we had the superiority). Plus we didn’t want to rub it in their face that we had shot two jets which in turn would escalate the problem. Needless to say, we have the wreckage of MiG-21 with all four missiles intact (hence no shooting of our jets took place) plus our electronic warfare (EW) platforms have all the radio transmissions of the IAF — and it’s a treat to listen to those confused and devastated calls of IAF pilots and controller which the shooting was taking place (IAF do not operate on secure radios so all their RT chatter is easily picked by EW platforms. Plus a MiG-21 in Block zero-one i.e below 20,000 with AA-12 Adder can only dream of getting a missile off rail against targets beyond 20NM (plus the Kopyo radar doesn’t support AA-12 launches beyond 20NM and that too on head-on aspects). Plus the evidence the Indians showed was a AMRAAM piece on their side claiming it was from a F-16 they shot. My simple question: if they found a piece of AMRAAM on their side but no jet attached to it then where did the wreckage go? Duhhh. And for a MiG to launch a missile against an F-16 and get it to A-pole and in the meantime get shot by another jet speaks poorly of the MiG-21’s pilot’s priorities as a fighter pilot. Nobody in their right frame of mind would enter the kill zone being spiked from all side and still continue hot without listening to any controller or formation member. In the intense comm jam environment with non secure radio the poor MiG-21 pilot didn’t receive any threat warnings given by his controller and I’m sure he didn’t have a moving map display telling him he had crossed the border and the comms were being jammed.”
Have you fired live weapons, what was it like?
“I’ve fired General Purpose bombs of various sizes and done strafing. Haven’t had the pleasure of letting go a missile yet.”
2019 analysis: How good is the Block II Pakistan JF-17 fighter aircraft today compared to its peers and potential threats? Here
Tell me something I don’t know about the JF-17..
“What the world doesn’t know about thunder? The autonomy it brings to PAF in terms of operations, numbers and capabilities is something that air forces around the world dream of the thing about thunder is that the factory that produces thunder is located in Pakistan..so we have all the support available inland. It is a nimble aircraft with a state of the art cockpit…it has air-air / air-ground stand off /air-sea stand off capability.. and a potent EW suite. It is continuously being upgraded with longer range weapons in all roles since we do all the integration ourselves.”
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*Some aircraft delivered to Myanmar, but as of article not fully operational. Nigeria has ordered aircraft.
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The pilot seems like a novice who had recently joined airforce and is much flattered by the BVR and Limited tech capabilities without actually having any clue about the manoeuver that IAF deployed. Particularly the element of surprise which Mig-21 showed. Which was a repetition of a fighting sequence showed during Red Flag 2008 exercise and outwitted USAF’s F-15 12:1. None of the F-16 dared to cross the LOC and launched 4-5 AMRAAMs at a distance greater than 50-60kms from Su-30s, which shows how unprofessional the pilots are given the 10% success rate of BVRs launched at greater distance from the adversity. The standoff laser weapons and glide bombs were also fired from across the LOC.The Su-30 were in defensive position SO AS TO SECURE the vital military installations and were subsequently flying at low altitudes. Had Su-30 showed the resolve to attack first with a strike package of 24 of them Pak Air Force would have not even made it to the air, as seen yesterday during Balakot Strike.
None of the recently joined pilots are allowed to fly thunder it took atleast 8 years of flying for a pilot to make it to thunder and falcon your argument is foul in my sight.
In PAF only 1 out of every 400 applicants get selected n are fully trained experienced pilot as mentioned for 8 years! I think some are expressing wishful thoughts. US satellites n experts clearly shows only trees 🌲 were hit in Balakot. Foreign Policy’s report along with all F-16 counts to be complete by US officials further forced IAF general to call US officials n Pentagon liars on NDTV which I found quite amusing to see. Now If no wreckage is found n all missiles are in tact on the Mig 21 claimed to have downed Pak F-16 then I rest assure PAF lost no F-16 n this is only fabricated by IAF to make the so called surgical aerial strike a success which is clearly not the case.
Ridiculous comment .. PAF strike was being supported by AWACS ..No way Abhinandan could avoid being picked up instantaneously by the SAAB Erieye ..He was picked up instantaneously after take-off and was locked on by multiple F-16’s . its ridiculous to think that IAF would be able to pull off the stunt they did in Red Flag and sneak up on PAF ..Also USAF was limited by the rules of the exercise a lot during the said exercise . Finally, why would the Pak F-16 want to cross? and who says that purpose of BVR fired by PAF was to necessarily down IAF jet?.. It may have been to keep your Su-30 out of engagement. And on that count alone, it was successful. haha.. btw .. they PAF did shoot down a Su-30 .. so yeah ..
Just to be clear it was JF-17 not F-16 or do you disagree? I believe F-16’s were never deployed
The long Stick capability which the PAF enjoys over IAF.. is the reason for long range exposures..
and u cant deny the deterrence or fear that a long range instills in..
and lovingly, they connected too.. the SUs were aware but couldn’t escape out of the incoming AMRAAM which then was showed to the world as a proof by IAF..
the Mig’s low level sneaking try was a fancy or a total unprofessional way of presenting yourself right in the wrath of PAF.. where the APG 68s wont miss the bait coming in.. and so the “Abhi-None-Done” got his fate in the back while scaring away..
IAF got to know the PAFs potential on 27th.. and so is not daring to respond with a fear loosing more.. and even to its own Friendly Fire!
Take your meds on time Pffft
Make up all the excuses you like. At the end of the day, PAF dominated the IAF and they have a captured Indian pilot to show for it. On the other hand, the IAF has debris of AMRAAM’s to show for as a war trophy.
Dear Dom,
Read Mavericks Response below. Im sure if you are aware of Military Protocols, why was there a need to deploy an SAR in a hot zone…..the fratricide can also be intentional, as to avoid the news leaking out about the downed SU-30 MKI. Hence destroy the evidence before it reaches anyone’s ears….
No Su-30 got a single scratch.
The AMRAAM simply timed out after losing Lock and self detonated and it’s debris was found near a village right on the foothills of Pir Panjal.
The greatest evidence of the shooting down of SU-30 was the fratricide of Indian helicopter, minutes after the initial engagement. It is a standard operating procedure that no slow moving traffic is allowed to airborne in a hostile airspace. Why was helicopter allowed to airborne in the first place? The answer is simple: it got airborne in great urgency, on a mission to secure important pieces from SU-30 MKI wreckage, lest they fall in wrong hands. The father of one of the killed pilot affirmed that in a TV interview, stating that his son airborne to look for the downed aircraft. Panic ridden and overwhelmed IAF air defenses, then shoot down its own in a show of remarkable incompetence. Another evidence was the removal of AOC western command the day after the battle. Captured pilot, fratricide and frontline aircraft downed. No wonder IAF, thoroughly humiliated relied on cock and bull stories to cover it.
The helicopter was returning from a supply mission to a post in Tangdhar .
The father never said anything like that.
I was the boss of the reporter who interviewed him.
AOC-in-C WAC retired as he turned 60 on 17th Feb and all 3 star officers must retire on last day of the month they turn 60.
Pure Fantasy. The helicopter took off for Search and rescue of Downed Indian Pilot of Mig 21 Not Su 30 s All Su 30 are accounted for and Su30 were jamming AMRAAM missile by Electronic War Fare
Pure Fantasy from you , the hindustani side knew that both the mig and it’s pilot were in the pakistani side , that the su 30 had fallen on their own side ! the heli also knew that the whole area was hot, so crossing over into the pakistani side was not feasible
no one , repeat no one from the hindustani side said , “all su 30’s are accounted for ” !! hindustani proclivity to lie exposed, they took something the pakistanis said , only because these were the words used by the US state department to confirm that all f 16’s were accounted for , as they are allowed to count all the f 16’s that pakistan has , even those purchased from jordan , as part of an end user agreement !
How Do You like my story when warlike situation is there everybody is in his highest level of alertness and a very simple mistake can cause havock remember the term the war was lot because a nail was lost
it was just that , a story , like all the rest that you have written !
Waooo… Thrilling details
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PAF Claim That it shot down Su 30 is pure fantasy. AMRAAM Missile variation held by Indians Is Not From Taiwan Air Force Stocks.The Curious Case Of The Third Pilot and The Pictures of Missiles that the crashed Mig 21 show that at least two of them have been fired
so what if AMRAAM misssile variation held by hindustani air force is not from taiwan air force , the pakistani side showed all 4 air to air missiles that a mig 21 has , with serial numbers there for the world to see ! the mig did not fire anything , it got shot down instead , it was amusing to see hindustan try to save face by concocting this story out of the blue ! you even had one nationally known tv host get disgraced in front of the whole of hindustan when the wreckage he was showing gleefully to the world as that of a f 16 was pointed out to be that of a mig 21 by a hindustani hindu expert ! you and your nation make up stories like no tomorrow , part of your propaganda war !
No surprise, Indian posters are trying desperately to salvage the reputation of IAF, it had any by following their religious teachings of “Telling the lie over and over again until the world starts to believe it as truth”, but don’t forget in doing so you only make a fool of yourself. NO chopper took off to rescue the pilot of Mig that was shot down inside Pakistan because IAF clearly and on record denied that any IAF jet was shot down with the statement that “All IAF jets and pilots are accounted for”. They only found out about the jet being shot down after watching the arrested pilot on electronic media, which happened many hours after the Chopper was shot down.
It’s time that Indian public stop defending their corrupt and inept AF and start asking question about the millions of dollars of corruption in purchasing, specially by the PM Modi himself in the Rafael deal.
LOL RoZone and Swaminathan you guy’s need to get your stroies aligned. Whether the Helicopter was returning from a supply mission or looking for the MIG 21 Wreck. It’s as confused as the IAF was on the 27th of Feb 🙂
Notice Abhinandan never mentioned shooting down any aircraft when speaking of his activities , which he did in detail when captured !
Lol..spinning yarns about Su-30 shootdowns..so basically using this Hushkit interview to re-iterate the fantasy of a Su-30MKI shootdown. India is not Pakistan. The Indian media is not gagged like the Pakistani media by ISPR led by people like that Ghafoor. Ghafoor famously said in that press conference – “We have 1 pilot in custody and 1 in the hospital and oh we are treating them well!” and a few hours later, upon realising the Pakistani identity of the pilot in the Command Medical Hospital- “Oh we have just 1 pilot in our custody”..no mention of the second pilot who just vanished into thin air.
And Ghafoor also said – “There were no F-16s in the vicinity of the operation!” followed a few hours later by “some F-16s may have been in the area since the whole PAF was airborne!” because the IAF had produced the AMRAAM missile parts..such incompetence!
Safe to say that I don’t believe any pilot in the IAF is having sleepless nights worrying about having to face the JF-17. The primary threat continues to be the F-16 and that much is made absolutely clear by the Balakot air encounter. The JF-17s didn’t even come near the LOC despite having a 4:2 numerical superiority against Mirage-2000Is. That is how worried the PAF and its JF-17 pilots were about getting into a tangle with Mirage-2000Is and having MICAs fired at them.
I’m not sure why Indians are still claiming a 12:1 “outwitted” ratio for their Mig 21s against USAF F-15s when the Pakistanis shot down one and captured its pilot.
Its also interesting the commanding officer of the IAF Western Command was “retired” the very next day of the incident, when both nuclear powers were on full war alert and it was looking like an all-out war would break out any minute. And even more incredible that the pilot who was shot down by Pakistan was given a medal for gallantry!!
And in all of this, the IAF seems to have forgotten it shot down an F-16 after sources in the pentagon told a reporter all PAF F-16s were accounted for.
Oh the fog of war and what it can do to nations.
RoZone and Swaminathan you guys need to get your stories aligned. Was the Helicopter flying back from supply mission or was it looking for the MIG 21 wreckage?
Pure propaganda piece. But safe to say that no IAF fighter pilot loses sleep at night worrying about the JF-17.
the truth and nothing but the truth ! the IAF visualise engagement with ANY PAF aircraft and loose sleep, as they have been shot out of the sky in all engagements since engagements between the two countries started !
hindustan never shot down a F 16 , a wahington post article…………https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/17/did-india-shoot-down-pakistani-f-back-february-this-just-became-big-deal/?fbclid=IwAR3K3VJ0Evwfa-3l5K28uDeBCiftehdYqip8dvOXaxF8y3YAhGGGmeouNns&utm_term=.0672ec330b3e
hindustan never shot down a pakistani F 16 , a times article………https://time.com/5564980/india-never-shot-pakistani-plane-kashmir/?fbclid=IwAR3xiTW4nCE5g4e0TFAFSnh89luAVVnEeb1Z-8iqdkUPYM-EwuVw65UKucQ
The only reason he is not bad-mouthing Mirage 2000 is because they probably hope to secure some seconded jets from France to replace their M3/5. IAF Sukhois are of course no-good. Except when they are exercising with PLAAF, Sukhois are all ooh ahh then.
Paf sure do respect fancy mirages, sukhois and upcoming rafales but they most certainly don’t respect shitty pilots who fly them
What about the Texaco (air refueling) part of the story ?
The JF-17 doesn’t have retractable in flight refueling probe, there are only few pictures of prototypes with fixed in flight refueling probe, so is it really in operation use ?
Dear Hush Kit your interview series with fighter pilots is great. You may consider the following for PAF fans;
1. Interview of F-7PG pilot, especially their experience of multinational excercise
2 Feedback from JF-17 pilot about recent exercise in Turkey and China.
3. Interview of Mirage Rose-II/III pilot.
4. Interview of F-16MLU pilot focusing on multinational Red Flag exercise.
Thanks Zawar, if you can connect with me with these pilots I’d be well up for that!
And PAFs propaganda continues… first they claimed that JF 17 shot down mig 21 and su 30 … even gave kill marking to the planes… then claimed that F 16 shot them down… 😂 .. you lost F 16 to an MIG 21… accept it and move on… stop living in denial…
You Indians live in a different world altogether dont you? Bollywood has taken over reality. 😂😂😂
I mean only you Indians can convert a serious beating which resulted in A MIG21 shoot down, and a fraticide in which u guys shot down your own helicopter into a fantasy of victory by claiming to have shot down a PAF F1yl6 😂😂😂
No One I repeat No one in the world except India believes an F16 was shot down. You guys have tried for a full year now to convince even a single nation, international press or media outlet, or an expert but still No one believes it. 😂😂😂 Wake up and ask yourself why is that? Because you guys havent presented a single piece of concrete evidence to date. All you have is DG ISPR said this and he said that, some nonsense storied about a pilot being lynched by own people which is hillarious 😂😂😂, and radar images your air forced cooked up and showed after it was exposed by the Foreign Policy article which confirmed no PAF F16 was lost.
Please move on kiddo
2 things, one the comments are hilarious, if India did shoot a F-16 down, it would been parading the wreckage and two, great interview, love it.